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Poster: syzygos Date: Nov 3, 2015 2:12pm
Forum: texts Subject: someone selling free texts from archive.org on scribe.com

Hi

I've noticed that a scribd.com user calling him/herself "kirtasbooks" is selling no less than 646 titles taken straight from archive.org for $2.50 a piece on scribd.com.

It's stupid - unless some dumb scribd.com users can't find their way to archive.org… I also wonder whether this is legal? Quite apart from the legality, it's morally reprehensible.

A. De Winne

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Poster: AncientAxim Date: Nov 5, 2015 9:11pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: someone selling free texts from archive.org on scribe.com

Yes people do that. I don't think it's illegal, but it sure is jewy. There's a woman who sells her "COPYRIGHT"'ed (?? um no) crochet patterns, that are gleaned from the freely available titles in the public domain, she doesn't even change anything- she uses the exact same images from the books on her website. She makes a big stink about people warning them not to "steal" "her patterns".

You can print and sell public domain books, I am not sure about digital editions however. Printing and paper etc cost real money - but just giving the link to the download? Does the download link back to archive.org? I know Gutenberg.org prevents this by banning IP addresses if they see a lot of traffic from one IP... Maybe someone can pipe in?

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Poster: syzygos Date: Nov 9, 2015 11:38am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: someone selling free texts from archive.org on scribe.com

Sorry folks, after examining a number of them, it looks like the books offered by 'kirtasbooks' are mostly not actual copies of the digitizations of the same books as kept by archive.org.
Virtually all the titles they offer are however available for free on archive.org. Where they source their digital copies from is not clear. It's odd, but probably not worth looking into further. Thank you, AncientAxim for the extra information.

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Poster: AncientAxim Date: Dec 6, 2015 8:26am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: someone selling free texts from archive.org on scribe.com

I had a moment to peruse the "Terms" page on this site and for the life of me can't locate anything about not selling files (anyone with contrary claims please post) but I think archive has a way of weeding out specific IPs that generate a lot of traffic to the site - I could be mistaken. I do know that Gutenberg temporarily bans an IP if a lot of downloads have taken place within a certain time frame.

People are allowed to sell public domain items- again I repeat- it IS bad taste and I think those actors should be banned just out of ethical reasons.

Remember that Matthew Lesko who ran those commercials for "FREE MONEY from the Government!" he wore a comical suit with dollar signs (or was it question marks?? memory fails) all over it?

FAIR USE from Wikipedia " A 2004 report by the New York State Consumer Protection Board claimed that most of the grants mentioned in Lesko's books were actually public assistance programs that many people were not eligible for, and that Lesko misrepresented examples of people who had taken advantage of government programs.

The New York Times criticized him for having implied a current association with the paper long after ending a 1992-94 NYT column.

In 2005, Lesko was named #99 in Bernard Goldberg's book 100 People Who Are Screwing Up America because, "He is a symbol for self-centered free-riders."

In an interview with the Washington Post in July 2007, Lesko admitted having assembled his books from government guides to grants and loans: "His business model is simple: 'I get stuff for free and I sell it for as much as I can get.'"

As long as there is free stuff, there will be freeloaders. There will also be freeloaders who double dip by selling that free stuff- akin to the EBT/food stamp recipients who sell bottles of water & pop at the Metro rail station on a hot day.

I bought a book off Amazon for about 30$ "The Big Book of Self Reliant Living" which was NOTHING but free USDA and other US gov publications- ALL of them freely available to you, the public- that were poorly xeroxed or directly quoted - absolutely no content was original - in fact, since all the content was copies of gov. tracts, the text varied in shape and fonts- some of it so badly copied and tiny it was unreadable! RIP OFF. Scam. Just like Matthew Lesko.

Think THAT's bad?? What about the UN that gets FREE MONEY from the govt- that you the taxpayer paid for, compulsory - that they make big bucks in grants in their assistance programs for non-Americans?

Or those faith based "charities" 97% US govt funded, that house, clothe, feed AND give HUB small biz grants to various 3rd world refuse that arrive on our shores? Did you know that these same groups SUE these refugees to repay the organizations for their air fare to US (already paid for, by you the US taxpayer- Double Dipping!)

I liken the folks that sell content they lifted from here, or Gutenberg, the same type of scum that steal money from the government to benefit some special groups that nobody voted for.

Rant over, take from it what you will. People who sell free content are repulsive, but you don't have to buy it either. A fool and his money are soon parted as they say.

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Poster: garthus1 Date: Jan 6, 2016 9:15pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: someone selling free texts from archive.org on scribe.com

They are also selling my Zoe book, see:

https://archive.org/details/arthusgerardzoe

My only issue with this is Google giving them precedence over the Archive Books. They are the scum in this wheel because they manipulate searches to promote these scum-lapping sub-humans and their make-money-without working schemes.

Gerry

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Poster: garthus1 Date: Jan 6, 2016 9:08pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: someone selling free texts from archive.org on scribe.com

Ancient Axim,

Yes you are correct ... they were selling my Zoe Book:

https://archive.org/details/arthusgerardzoe

Nothing out there like it ... but they sell for .99 each. I have no issues with this ... my issues are with Google giving them precedence over the Archive titles of the same name because some corporate scum-lapper is paying them money. When the Infoportal gets going there will be pay-back. Let them enjoy it while it lasts.

Gerry